royus77
07-11 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by conchshell
Viceroy Lord Wavell and his assistants laughed when M.K. Gandhi told them that one day they will be forced to leave India. What they did not understood that they were not politicians, they were bureaucrats. When the political power behind peaceful civil disobedience was unleashed, a nation took shape, and what Gandhi told Wavell became a reality.
Something similar repeated in United States recently when thousands of legal immigrants were given a cold shoulder, despite of their merit based claim for an American Green Card. They decided to apply Gandhian way of peaceful protest by sending thousands of flower bouquets to USCIS, an American agency responsible for immigration and citizenship. Instead of offering an apology, USCIS chief decided to again ignore the immigrants and simply issued a statement that the flowers will be forwarded to the injured service members recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Once again a bureaucrat miscalculated the power hidden behind a peaceful protest. Now the power behind flowers is becoming a media mainstream story. NY Times, Washington Post, Reuters, Yahoo News are a few to name. Bollywood, has recently issued a statement providing its full support to Immigration Voice, the non profit organization behind the flower campaign.
An American way of fighting injustice "A law suit" is on its way, the usual rallies and demonstrations are about to begin. However, in America, its first time after Martin Luther King Jr., that someone has tried to apply Gandhi's way to fight injustice. It is yet not clear that what would be the outcome of this campaign, but there are rumours that USCIS is already discussing internally to reverse the discriminatory decision which resulted in this flower campaign causing enough embarrassement to them.
Its amazing to witness that 60 years after Gandhi's demise, his ideology is still relevant. We are sure its gonna remain relevant till there are Lord Wavell's in this world. Wavell's can momentarily laugh thinking that unorganized immigrants are helpless, but when the peaceful protest will demonstrate its political power, they surely will realize what Gandhi and Gandhian ways are all about. :D.......
Viceroy Lord Wavell and his assistants laughed when M.K. Gandhi told them that one day they will be forced to leave India. What they did not understood that they were not politicians, they were bureaucrats. When the political power behind peaceful civil disobedience was unleashed, a nation took shape, and what Gandhi told Wavell became a reality.
Something similar repeated in United States recently when thousands of legal immigrants were given a cold shoulder, despite of their merit based claim for an American Green Card. They decided to apply Gandhian way of peaceful protest by sending thousands of flower bouquets to USCIS, an American agency responsible for immigration and citizenship. Instead of offering an apology, USCIS chief decided to again ignore the immigrants and simply issued a statement that the flowers will be forwarded to the injured service members recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Once again a bureaucrat miscalculated the power hidden behind a peaceful protest. Now the power behind flowers is becoming a media mainstream story. NY Times, Washington Post, Reuters, Yahoo News are a few to name. Bollywood, has recently issued a statement providing its full support to Immigration Voice, the non profit organization behind the flower campaign.
An American way of fighting injustice "A law suit" is on its way, the usual rallies and demonstrations are about to begin. However, in America, its first time after Martin Luther King Jr., that someone has tried to apply Gandhi's way to fight injustice. It is yet not clear that what would be the outcome of this campaign, but there are rumours that USCIS is already discussing internally to reverse the discriminatory decision which resulted in this flower campaign causing enough embarrassement to them.
Its amazing to witness that 60 years after Gandhi's demise, his ideology is still relevant. We are sure its gonna remain relevant till there are Lord Wavell's in this world. Wavell's can momentarily laugh thinking that unorganized immigrants are helpless, but when the peaceful protest will demonstrate its political power, they surely will realize what Gandhi and Gandhian ways are all about. :D.......
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snathan
11-19 04:16 PM
Question to IV core...
After receiving the standard email respose from the congressman/senator...I am wondering are they even aware about the legal immigrants. All we are getting the standard template which is talking about only illegals and DREAM.
No mention about legals ?
After receiving the standard email respose from the congressman/senator...I am wondering are they even aware about the legal immigrants. All we are getting the standard template which is talking about only illegals and DREAM.
No mention about legals ?
laborchic
07-06 04:46 PM
Does IV Core have a say on sending flowers??
how about sending it to Michael Chertoff and Condelezza Rice??
how about sending it to Michael Chertoff and Condelezza Rice??
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logiclife
03-09 09:19 AM
Listen, everyone is frustrated but to take your lives for a GC is crazy. If you guys are so depressed please seek medical help. If you have kids they will be US citizens they can sponsor you 18 years later so why are you that frustrated. When your wife is on H4 that is the best time to have kids because she is at home and you don't have to pay daycare. It is the woman in H1B that my sympathies are with bc they cannot go part-time or get more that 6 week maternity leave. So please buckle up or seek help, I don’t think your logic makes sense.
I tend to agree that suicidal thoughts borne out of frustration is totally crazy. Look at the Irish. They are illegals, yet they go to capitol Hill and themselves talk to lawmakers. And then probably in the evening, they might have drunk to that. Do you think they think like that...?:
Yes, if suicide is something that crosses your mind due to GC frustration, I think you need to seek professional help from a therapist. Because mental health is of higher priority than immigration status.
Putting off raising a family, having kids etc UNTIL you get GC is also not wise. Do you really want to tie that important decision of life with the process that's decided in the halls of congress?
Another thing...if you are from India and China, then I suggest you do this. Go to Barnes and Noble, and pick up one of the two books (or both).
"Flight of the creative class..." -- By Richard Florida.
"Flight Capital..." -- David Heenan.
Both are written on how hundreds and even thousands of US citizens(Citizens, not GC holders) are going back to their home countries after living in USA because home offers same opportunities in addition to being a the place where you grew up. They've analyzed 10 countries. India and China are one of them.
I know many people are averse to talking to their lawmakers because of unknown fears(totally wrong thing to do...there is nothing to be afraid of) but I am sure you are not loathe to going to Barnes and Noble and picking up a book and reading it. It will make you feel better. You and others like you, if not wanted by USA, are wanted elsewhere.
I tend to agree that suicidal thoughts borne out of frustration is totally crazy. Look at the Irish. They are illegals, yet they go to capitol Hill and themselves talk to lawmakers. And then probably in the evening, they might have drunk to that. Do you think they think like that...?:
Yes, if suicide is something that crosses your mind due to GC frustration, I think you need to seek professional help from a therapist. Because mental health is of higher priority than immigration status.
Putting off raising a family, having kids etc UNTIL you get GC is also not wise. Do you really want to tie that important decision of life with the process that's decided in the halls of congress?
Another thing...if you are from India and China, then I suggest you do this. Go to Barnes and Noble, and pick up one of the two books (or both).
"Flight of the creative class..." -- By Richard Florida.
"Flight Capital..." -- David Heenan.
Both are written on how hundreds and even thousands of US citizens(Citizens, not GC holders) are going back to their home countries after living in USA because home offers same opportunities in addition to being a the place where you grew up. They've analyzed 10 countries. India and China are one of them.
I know many people are averse to talking to their lawmakers because of unknown fears(totally wrong thing to do...there is nothing to be afraid of) but I am sure you are not loathe to going to Barnes and Noble and picking up a book and reading it. It will make you feel better. You and others like you, if not wanted by USA, are wanted elsewhere.
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kshitijnt
05-09 09:58 PM
Under the circumstances we might like to approach the Hon'ble President by posting a well drafted letter (not more than a page). Let us see what happens. All letters should be posted withing a specific pre-determined time frame (within one week, say from June 1 to June 7) to create an impact. We might like to achieve a target of say 250,000 letters. This cannot go unnoticed.
The law suit option is not bad but probably would need serious consideration. The suit will have more impact if we first send the letter. Atleast then we will have a point in our favour - that we have been driven to wall with no option but to fight legally.
As a starting point can some of us come up with some convincing drafts? We could eventually come up with a good final draft.
Obama was the only person who did make a mention of the problems faced the legal immigrant community during the campaign. We need to highlight this too.
Thanks and regards!
Saptaswara
Everyone need not send the same letter. Let everyone send the same message though. That Indian community is being targeted or that Indians are facing unjust immigration policies as compared to citizens of other countries, which is the truth anyway. I see your point, time is of essence. Send as many letters as soon as possible.
The law suit option is not bad but probably would need serious consideration. The suit will have more impact if we first send the letter. Atleast then we will have a point in our favour - that we have been driven to wall with no option but to fight legally.
As a starting point can some of us come up with some convincing drafts? We could eventually come up with a good final draft.
Obama was the only person who did make a mention of the problems faced the legal immigrant community during the campaign. We need to highlight this too.
Thanks and regards!
Saptaswara
Everyone need not send the same letter. Let everyone send the same message though. That Indian community is being targeted or that Indians are facing unjust immigration policies as compared to citizens of other countries, which is the truth anyway. I see your point, time is of essence. Send as many letters as soon as possible.
snthampi
02-03 11:27 AM
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:D
Good Luck trying to explain reservation system to the USCIS to implement your plan! How many years would we have to wait - for the USCIS to learn the system and execute it :D
Kidding too!
Good one! You are right. It might take them 10 years to understand the system and then 10 years to implement it. By then many of us will be retired.
:D
Good Luck trying to explain reservation system to the USCIS to implement your plan! How many years would we have to wait - for the USCIS to learn the system and execute it :D
Kidding too!
Good one! You are right. It might take them 10 years to understand the system and then 10 years to implement it. By then many of us will be retired.
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blacktongue
11-18 01:37 PM
I also suggest partnering up with Reform Immigration For America as they have large numbers of supporters as well. I urge core IV members to contact them as time is short for us
.. confirming that I have sent the faxes for myself and for whole family
I went on website and see IV is their partner
Reform Immigration For America
Organizations � Reform Immigration For America (http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/about/organizations/)
A lot of big organizations there in list.
.. confirming that I have sent the faxes for myself and for whole family
I went on website and see IV is their partner
Reform Immigration For America
Organizations � Reform Immigration For America (http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/about/organizations/)
A lot of big organizations there in list.
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dhesha
08-27 12:05 PM
Yesterday we got our cards for myself and wife. Good luck to all who are still waiting.
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02-14 09:54 PM
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Santosh_gc
06-26 03:07 PM
stuck labor:
I have an argument against what you said about my comment on corruption. There is a logicall fallacy in your rebuttal to my statements.
But my reply wont contribute in any way to IVs core goals and will create a distraction. So I am going to refrain from posting anything regarding that and the ongoing argument about racism.
Santosh
I have an argument against what you said about my comment on corruption. There is a logicall fallacy in your rebuttal to my statements.
But my reply wont contribute in any way to IVs core goals and will create a distraction. So I am going to refrain from posting anything regarding that and the ongoing argument about racism.
Santosh
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greensignal
08-13 10:44 AM
Hi,
My employer filed my wife's and my EAD paper based application on Jul 25, 2008 (TSC Received Date). But I still haven't received the Receipt notices for the same.
Generally how long does take to get the receipt notices?
Please let me know if any has filed around same date and received the receipts?
Thank you!
My employer filed my wife's and my EAD paper based application on Jul 25, 2008 (TSC Received Date). But I still haven't received the Receipt notices for the same.
Generally how long does take to get the receipt notices?
Please let me know if any has filed around same date and received the receipts?
Thank you!
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jsb
09-10 10:07 AM
I don't know what this means. This is what it say in the Mumbai website.
Category India Most Other Countries
F1 22 July 2003 22 July 2003
FX 1 March 2003 1 March 2003
F2A 1 June 2005 1 June 2005
F2B 22 August 2001 22 August 2001
F3 15 Janurary 2001 15 Janurary 2001
F4 15 April 1999 15 April 1999
E1 Current Current
E2 22 January 2005 Current
E3 22 February 2002 1 June 2002
EW 1 June 2001 1 June 2001
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current
For E3 India, Mumbai guys copied from the China column of the original Visa Bulletin. I guess they will have to correct it.
Category India Most Other Countries
F1 22 July 2003 22 July 2003
FX 1 March 2003 1 March 2003
F2A 1 June 2005 1 June 2005
F2B 22 August 2001 22 August 2001
F3 15 Janurary 2001 15 Janurary 2001
F4 15 April 1999 15 April 1999
E1 Current Current
E2 22 January 2005 Current
E3 22 February 2002 1 June 2002
EW 1 June 2001 1 June 2001
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current
For E3 India, Mumbai guys copied from the China column of the original Visa Bulletin. I guess they will have to correct it.
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go_guy123
05-09 10:30 AM
I miss the good old Bush days and hope that McCain would have been the President.
How are you saying this? Under his watch large numbers of green cards were lost.
GOP as well DNC are all chasing the mass votes of illegals and their USC relatives.
How are you saying this? Under his watch large numbers of green cards were lost.
GOP as well DNC are all chasing the mass votes of illegals and their USC relatives.
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WeShallOvercome
11-21 12:34 PM
Look at us. We fight and worry and waste our life for such petty things as a plastic card.
Pray for your, your family's and friends' health..which is all what matters.
Please go to India, atleast for some time and get a second opinion from good hospitals. And remember, Prayer is the most powerful healer.
Pray for your, your family's and friends' health..which is all what matters.
Please go to India, atleast for some time and get a second opinion from good hospitals. And remember, Prayer is the most powerful healer.
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doshhar
07-08 07:54 PM
Can we have this event scheduled for major cities in other parts of US? What day are we looking for this rally? (14th July??)
I can gather 100+ people from Chicago..
I can gather 100+ people from Chicago..
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sledge_hammer
02-12 11:59 AM
D%ck weed, I came to this country with the intention of studying and then working, but to do so legally. I came to this country very well knowing that I have to maintain my legal status, regardless of the circumstances.
So to counter your sophomoric point - yes, it does not matter if you have spent your prime years working here, it does not matter if you have loans in India, it does not matter if your wife is on H4, it does not matter if your child is a US citizen, it does not matter if you did your masters here, it does not matter if you are from IIT, it does not matter if you're employed through a consultant, it does not matter if you're employed full-time with a "proper" company, it does not matter if your parents in India are sick and you need to send them money; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAINTAINING LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS BECAUSE YOU CAME TO THIS COUNTRY KNOWING THAT!
So stop complaining @ss wipe and go back and learn to spell and fix your grammar.
>>>>>>Do you have a brain?
>>>>>>So why the hell u came to the country
>>>>>>u ask them to go to their home country is it
Thinking in your native tongue and translating to another language is NOT a very effective way to communicate. And for god's sake, spell 'you' the way it is and don't short hand it to 'u'. That's the most annoying thing people like you do.
Do you have a brain? seriosly... .. I wish people like u suffer through what everyone else who has lost a job or in the bnech go through...
So why the hell u came to the country... i think u are one of those cheap ass off shore guys who is onsite and showing off.. man
dont come to me mouthing off again... i did my master's here and i got job in OPT and my company sponsored my H1. I have friedns who sufferd through the phase of not getting a job and had to go through the desi consultants.. they were in no way inferior to u or me.. plain bad luck.. u ask them to go to their home country is it... moron grow some brains
So to counter your sophomoric point - yes, it does not matter if you have spent your prime years working here, it does not matter if you have loans in India, it does not matter if your wife is on H4, it does not matter if your child is a US citizen, it does not matter if you did your masters here, it does not matter if you are from IIT, it does not matter if you're employed through a consultant, it does not matter if you're employed full-time with a "proper" company, it does not matter if your parents in India are sick and you need to send them money; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAINTAINING LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS BECAUSE YOU CAME TO THIS COUNTRY KNOWING THAT!
So stop complaining @ss wipe and go back and learn to spell and fix your grammar.
>>>>>>Do you have a brain?
>>>>>>So why the hell u came to the country
>>>>>>u ask them to go to their home country is it
Thinking in your native tongue and translating to another language is NOT a very effective way to communicate. And for god's sake, spell 'you' the way it is and don't short hand it to 'u'. That's the most annoying thing people like you do.
Do you have a brain? seriosly... .. I wish people like u suffer through what everyone else who has lost a job or in the bnech go through...
So why the hell u came to the country... i think u are one of those cheap ass off shore guys who is onsite and showing off.. man
dont come to me mouthing off again... i did my master's here and i got job in OPT and my company sponsored my H1. I have friedns who sufferd through the phase of not getting a job and had to go through the desi consultants.. they were in no way inferior to u or me.. plain bad luck.. u ask them to go to their home country is it... moron grow some brains
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bebar
06-16 04:16 PM
Me either. No receipts yet.. filed to reach on june 1st.
Lucky you summerof98!
Lucky you summerof98!
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texcan
09-14 05:23 PM
finally got to know from my bank that checks were encashed. checked the receipt nos. on back of checks. notice receipt date is 10the sept.
i had mailed the papers on july 27th and NSC receipt date was 30th july.
was your i-140 from TSC
i had mailed the papers on july 27th and NSC receipt date was 30th july.
was your i-140 from TSC
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gc_vbin
11-18 04:16 PM
Done.. Got response from Michael Bennet..not an auto response but an email.
ronhira
09-26 01:21 PM
Wow... such eloquence from a "highly skilled worker" ! Truly impressive indeed :)
BTW, for that poster who was imagining a single line, open your eyes buddy. There are indeed two lines. Higher qualifications gets you into the shorter one. You can fret and whine all you want but you cant change the fact.
Porting PDs is a silly concept as others have pointed it out here. Its the law for now but wont be for long. Get over it.
i'm as much high skilled as u'r...... perhaps u did not notice that we are in the same category..... on which u'r hanging on.....
this guy is correct.....
All of us believe that the system which suits our individual application is the best system. Anything that doesn't work for us is just screwed-up.
this explains y porting pd is a silly concept to you.....
i'm in eb2 & my application is pending..... i don't think porting pd is silly just becoz a few others in eb2 think it is silly..... perhaps i know how to use my brain to form my own opinion rather than subscribing to the majority opinion of the category in which i applied for gc..... porting pd makes sense..... & it will not change..... till u don't get change to porting pd system..... i reserve the right to correctly call u a pu5sy..... get over it....
BTW, for that poster who was imagining a single line, open your eyes buddy. There are indeed two lines. Higher qualifications gets you into the shorter one. You can fret and whine all you want but you cant change the fact.
Porting PDs is a silly concept as others have pointed it out here. Its the law for now but wont be for long. Get over it.
i'm as much high skilled as u'r...... perhaps u did not notice that we are in the same category..... on which u'r hanging on.....
this guy is correct.....
All of us believe that the system which suits our individual application is the best system. Anything that doesn't work for us is just screwed-up.
this explains y porting pd is a silly concept to you.....
i'm in eb2 & my application is pending..... i don't think porting pd is silly just becoz a few others in eb2 think it is silly..... perhaps i know how to use my brain to form my own opinion rather than subscribing to the majority opinion of the category in which i applied for gc..... porting pd makes sense..... & it will not change..... till u don't get change to porting pd system..... i reserve the right to correctly call u a pu5sy..... get over it....
gctest
09-16 10:20 AM
I can pledge around 200-250 for this.
Go IV!!
Thanks to all who have pledged so far for fighting against injustice.
To those who haven't yet, we are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgWehhQEb3jqwsRC8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
Go IV!!
Thanks to all who have pledged so far for fighting against injustice.
To those who haven't yet, we are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgWehhQEb3jqwsRC8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
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