wait4ever
08-08 11:55 AM
Congratulations! Don't worry, those emails don't arrive in a logical order. I am pretty sure you will get a case approval email soon. In any case your wait is over. Happy 4th!!
I got the e-mail saying that they have mailed my 485 approval notice on August 4 - but nothing after that - will the notice come to me at home or will it go to the lawyer - also how long before the card production e-mail gets here - not that I am in a tearing hurry - I have waited several years so what is another month ?
Thanks
I got the e-mail saying that they have mailed my 485 approval notice on August 4 - but nothing after that - will the notice come to me at home or will it go to the lawyer - also how long before the card production e-mail gets here - not that I am in a tearing hurry - I have waited several years so what is another month ?
Thanks
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fetch_gc
09-17 01:41 PM
gcspace,
My packet(self and spouse) at NSC was signed by F HEINAUER on Jul 16th at 11.14 am.
My packet(self and spouse) at NSC was signed by F HEINAUER on Jul 16th at 11.14 am.
apahilaj
12-21 10:10 AM
Thanks for the update Parag. Good luck! Let us know what happens.
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lynliu
05-28 11:18 PM
Me, spouse and a friend sent emails to the above Senator and will call them tomorrow.
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coolstonesa
05-03 07:04 PM
Compare this stupid, never ending GC process with the Canadian one. Back in 1996, I got my Canadian residency in 5 months when I applied from India. Within 3 yrs i.e. by 1999, I got my Canadian citizenship. I know Canadian GC process takes more time now but it is quite straigtht forward and you can self sponsor.
I had applied for labor in 2002, got approved in 2003 but couldn't file 140 as the employer went out of business. Reapplied through new employer in 2003 and am stuck in PBEC ever since. The time span/ requirements to get card in hand is so long/complex that many things can go wrong on the way...e.g. layoff/ employer bankrupt etc. etc.
I wish someone can understand our sufferings/ pain.
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
I had applied for labor in 2002, got approved in 2003 but couldn't file 140 as the employer went out of business. Reapplied through new employer in 2003 and am stuck in PBEC ever since. The time span/ requirements to get card in hand is so long/complex that many things can go wrong on the way...e.g. layoff/ employer bankrupt etc. etc.
I wish someone can understand our sufferings/ pain.
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
sobers
05-02 10:42 AM
The Brownback and Bingaman amendments need to be incorporated into this bill.
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Compete America Praises Introduction of Cornyn Legislation to Reform H-1B and Green Card Systems
'SKIL Bill' Would Relieve Crisis Facing U.S. Employers of Highly Educated Foreign Nationals
Washington D.C. - Compete America today praised the introduction of the "SKIL Bill" by Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) to reform both the H-1B visa and employment based (EB visa) green card processes. The legislation is cosponsored by Senators Allard (R-CO), Allen (R-VA), Bennett (R-UT), Enzi (R-WY), and Lott (R-MS).
The SKIL Bill is the latest indicator that both the United States Senate and the Bush Administration are prepared to fix the visa system for highly educated foreign nationals. In addition to the SKIL Bill, Compete America has endorsed measures contained the Senate's comprehensive immigration legislation addressing H-1B and EB visa issues; and has also endorsed President Bush's call to ensure access to talent as part of the Administration's American Competitiveness Initiative.
"Senator Cornyn clearly understands the contribution highly-educated foreign nationals make to the U.S. economy and to Texas," said Texas Instruments CEO and President Richard K. Templeton. "The Senator's bill reaffirms America's proud tradition of welcoming top talent to this country. The reality is that most scientists and engineers with advanced degrees from U.S. universities are foreign born. The competition for talent is truly global. If the U.S. wants to win, we absolutely must encourage these advanced degree holders to stay here and get their green cards - not send them home to compete against us. The 'SKIL' bill really advances that goal."
Both the H-1B and EB visa/green card programs have been responsible for bringing much needed foreign talent to live and work in the United States, and most importantly, to make significant contributions to the U.S. economy and global competitiveness. However, H-1B shortages have been well documented, and backlogs in the green card system are getting worse, forcing thousands of valued foreign-born professionals - including researchers, scientists, teachers and engineers - into legal and professional limbo for seven years or more.
Among the provisions of the SKIL Bill (Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership) endorsed by Compete America are the following:
Exemptions for U.S. educated foreign workers with advanced degrees in math, science, technology and engineering fields from the H-1B and EB quotas so their talent can be retained in the United States.
Creation of a flexible, market-based H-1B cap so that U.S. employers are not locked out of hiring critical talent.
Extension of foreign students' post curricular optional practical training from 12 months to 24 months to allow them to go more easily from student to green card.
Exemptions for EB/green card immigrant spouses and children from the annual cap, thus making more visas available for the professionals we need.
The SKIL Bill contains many of the provisions for reform of the H-1B visa and EB/green card systems that are present in the two versions of comprehensive immigration reform introduced by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-PA).
"The Senate is ready to address the problem facing U.S. employers of highly educated foreign nationals," said Sandra Boyd, National Association of Manufacturers Human Resources Policy Vice President and Compete America Chair. "It is incomprehensible that Congress would address broad immigration reform without fixing the system that brings legal, highly educated workers to the U.S. We are grateful to Senator Cornyn and the other cosponsors of the SKIL bill as well as those who have supported the inclusion of similar provisions in comprehensive immigration reform."
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Compete America Praises Introduction of Cornyn Legislation to Reform H-1B and Green Card Systems
'SKIL Bill' Would Relieve Crisis Facing U.S. Employers of Highly Educated Foreign Nationals
Washington D.C. - Compete America today praised the introduction of the "SKIL Bill" by Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) to reform both the H-1B visa and employment based (EB visa) green card processes. The legislation is cosponsored by Senators Allard (R-CO), Allen (R-VA), Bennett (R-UT), Enzi (R-WY), and Lott (R-MS).
The SKIL Bill is the latest indicator that both the United States Senate and the Bush Administration are prepared to fix the visa system for highly educated foreign nationals. In addition to the SKIL Bill, Compete America has endorsed measures contained the Senate's comprehensive immigration legislation addressing H-1B and EB visa issues; and has also endorsed President Bush's call to ensure access to talent as part of the Administration's American Competitiveness Initiative.
"Senator Cornyn clearly understands the contribution highly-educated foreign nationals make to the U.S. economy and to Texas," said Texas Instruments CEO and President Richard K. Templeton. "The Senator's bill reaffirms America's proud tradition of welcoming top talent to this country. The reality is that most scientists and engineers with advanced degrees from U.S. universities are foreign born. The competition for talent is truly global. If the U.S. wants to win, we absolutely must encourage these advanced degree holders to stay here and get their green cards - not send them home to compete against us. The 'SKIL' bill really advances that goal."
Both the H-1B and EB visa/green card programs have been responsible for bringing much needed foreign talent to live and work in the United States, and most importantly, to make significant contributions to the U.S. economy and global competitiveness. However, H-1B shortages have been well documented, and backlogs in the green card system are getting worse, forcing thousands of valued foreign-born professionals - including researchers, scientists, teachers and engineers - into legal and professional limbo for seven years or more.
Among the provisions of the SKIL Bill (Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership) endorsed by Compete America are the following:
Exemptions for U.S. educated foreign workers with advanced degrees in math, science, technology and engineering fields from the H-1B and EB quotas so their talent can be retained in the United States.
Creation of a flexible, market-based H-1B cap so that U.S. employers are not locked out of hiring critical talent.
Extension of foreign students' post curricular optional practical training from 12 months to 24 months to allow them to go more easily from student to green card.
Exemptions for EB/green card immigrant spouses and children from the annual cap, thus making more visas available for the professionals we need.
The SKIL Bill contains many of the provisions for reform of the H-1B visa and EB/green card systems that are present in the two versions of comprehensive immigration reform introduced by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-PA).
"The Senate is ready to address the problem facing U.S. employers of highly educated foreign nationals," said Sandra Boyd, National Association of Manufacturers Human Resources Policy Vice President and Compete America Chair. "It is incomprehensible that Congress would address broad immigration reform without fixing the system that brings legal, highly educated workers to the U.S. We are grateful to Senator Cornyn and the other cosponsors of the SKIL bill as well as those who have supported the inclusion of similar provisions in comprehensive immigration reform."
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Jaime
06-26 10:23 AM
Well, I am a legal immigrant from Mexico, I have an MBA, my race is white (100% European as are more than 10 million Mexicans) and I do not wear a "sombrero".
I thought that this forum was for us all to help each other and not enter these types of useless arguments. I cannot believe that the posters of these racist messages, who are Indian, are falling into the same sterotypes that Americans fall into in regards to India. You are doing that with Mexico. I have been to India, I urge you to go to Mexico and see for yourselves what the country is like before passing judgment.
Mexico has 100 million people vs. India's 1 Billion plus, yet Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). All the people that you see immigrating here are of course the poor and uneducated who can come here in large numbers because of the simple fact that (hello people!) we share a land border with the U.S.A. (What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!) I invite you to visit Mexico, where in some parts you will think you are in Sweden. And again, yes! have been to India!
We are misusing this forum with stereotypes and you guys are turning this into an Indian-only forum. (WHich is a turnoff to me and many more) I know the majority of us in here are Indian, but if I continue to feel unwelcome here I will just take my donations elsewhere.
I thought that this forum was for us all to help each other and not enter these types of useless arguments. I cannot believe that the posters of these racist messages, who are Indian, are falling into the same sterotypes that Americans fall into in regards to India. You are doing that with Mexico. I have been to India, I urge you to go to Mexico and see for yourselves what the country is like before passing judgment.
Mexico has 100 million people vs. India's 1 Billion plus, yet Mexico's GDP is essentially equal to India's (India = 775,410, Mexico=768,437). All the people that you see immigrating here are of course the poor and uneducated who can come here in large numbers because of the simple fact that (hello people!) we share a land border with the U.S.A. (What would happen if India shared a land border with the U.S.A. - One can only imagine! Instead of 7 million illegal Mexicans, we would have 400 million illegal Indians here!) I invite you to visit Mexico, where in some parts you will think you are in Sweden. And again, yes! have been to India!
We are misusing this forum with stereotypes and you guys are turning this into an Indian-only forum. (WHich is a turnoff to me and many more) I know the majority of us in here are Indian, but if I continue to feel unwelcome here I will just take my donations elsewhere.
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doshhar
07-04 06:19 PM
I have e-mailed the senators in Illinois.
Let's do following to keep this topic alive..
1) Please e-mail senators to your respective states. You can find the e-mail format from http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=1474093861&m=8821024251
2) We should have a rally to local USCIS offices.
3) We should inform Media well in advance about rally so we can get enough coverage.
4) We should contact Chinese groups for joining us in our mission.
This is not a single person mission. We should get to gather at this CRITICAL time.
Please don't let this fire go away.
Let's do following to keep this topic alive..
1) Please e-mail senators to your respective states. You can find the e-mail format from http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=1474093861&m=8821024251
2) We should have a rally to local USCIS offices.
3) We should inform Media well in advance about rally so we can get enough coverage.
4) We should contact Chinese groups for joining us in our mission.
This is not a single person mission. We should get to gather at this CRITICAL time.
Please don't let this fire go away.
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man-woman-and-gc
09-16 01:53 AM
Who is the ADMIN here??
You may want to follow up with them via a PM or email. Check the IV core link.
You may want to follow up with them via a PM or email. Check the IV core link.
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txh1b
08-26 09:03 PM
I'm seeing lots of folks being greened whose PD is after us. Is it possible that they have PD on their 485 (because I-140 concurrently filed) and so it was picked up by officer? I guess it's not.
In response to infopass officer's request to expedite, I received letter from USCIS (within a week) . It shows my receipt# correct but shows filing date 10/10/2007. Actually, this is receipt date of case transfer to TSC from NSC.
The filing date on SR is manually entered by the person opening the SR. It has got nothing to do with your real filing date. All that matters on the SR is your A#.
In response to infopass officer's request to expedite, I received letter from USCIS (within a week) . It shows my receipt# correct but shows filing date 10/10/2007. Actually, this is receipt date of case transfer to TSC from NSC.
The filing date on SR is manually entered by the person opening the SR. It has got nothing to do with your real filing date. All that matters on the SR is your A#.
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sina
08-26 12:14 PM
No, we have not tried calling yet. Both are on H1, so just have EAD for just peace of mind. Do let us know what you hear from the customer service.
Thanks,
Sina
Thanks,
Sina
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rameshvaid
04-21 06:55 PM
Guys,
I knew Mehul and his family. They migrated to Sweden late January and Mehul passed away peacefully in his sleep on March 2, 2008
Admins, please close/archive this thread. It's painful
May GOD rest his SOUL in peace and gives courage to his family to bear his loss.
RV
I knew Mehul and his family. They migrated to Sweden late January and Mehul passed away peacefully in his sleep on March 2, 2008
Admins, please close/archive this thread. It's painful
May GOD rest his SOUL in peace and gives courage to his family to bear his loss.
RV
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kvranand
09-25 10:40 PM
I have received all of my family reciepts (I-485,AP,EAD) today from my attorney. Case filed at NSC and got the receipts with LIN numbers. Package reached NSC on Aug 10, '07.
RD Aug 13, '07.
ND Sept 19, '07.
RD Aug 13, '07.
ND Sept 19, '07.
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07-02 08:55 AM
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Status
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Date/Time
Activity
Location
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At local FedEx facility
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Estimated delivery
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Service type
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Weight
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patiently_waiting
09-09 07:38 PM
Getting sick of this movement in dates.
Illegal guy in US makes more money & without any hassle.
Trying to stay legally hurts very much for the past 9 years.
Atleast they should allow to pre-file I-485 so that atleast guys like me (when we missed july 2007 race) can just file and complete the verification process in I-485.
Illegal guy in US makes more money & without any hassle.
Trying to stay legally hurts very much for the past 9 years.
Atleast they should allow to pre-file I-485 so that atleast guys like me (when we missed july 2007 race) can just file and complete the verification process in I-485.
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ganguteli
02-26 02:06 PM
Very well written. We need this kind of language material to present to our friends. You got my contribution. How do I donate $20? I don't see tab for that money on page. Minimum for one time contribution I see is $100. Also is there any way that I do not have to use paypal and directly use my cc to pay?
Also not all of us are as good in writing or speaking the same language. I am glad you understand the pains of IV core but unfortunately all of us have not gone through the same things as you have. So we surely need some convincing on part of IV. This post I see is right step. I need some more info to present to my friends, as to why they should contribute. That would be perfect.
So much hoopla for a mere $20!
I do not think that you will even contribute that. You are just looking for excuses not to pay. And don't tell me that your friends can pay 500 or 5000....
They cannot even pay 5 dollars. People who want to contribute, just contribute and not make a big fuss over $20. Go have a lunch today with your $20 instead but for heavens sake do not force people to spend 20 minutes answering you for 20 dollars. Or maybe give it to your lawyer or AILA as you beleve in them.
Also not all of us are as good in writing or speaking the same language. I am glad you understand the pains of IV core but unfortunately all of us have not gone through the same things as you have. So we surely need some convincing on part of IV. This post I see is right step. I need some more info to present to my friends, as to why they should contribute. That would be perfect.
So much hoopla for a mere $20!
I do not think that you will even contribute that. You are just looking for excuses not to pay. And don't tell me that your friends can pay 500 or 5000....
They cannot even pay 5 dollars. People who want to contribute, just contribute and not make a big fuss over $20. Go have a lunch today with your $20 instead but for heavens sake do not force people to spend 20 minutes answering you for 20 dollars. Or maybe give it to your lawyer or AILA as you beleve in them.
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kshitijnt
05-01 08:03 PM
Lets file a lawsuit to get the info in a manner we need:
1) breakdown of processing dates in a manner that co relates to visa bulletin.
i.e.: tell us how many petitions by per country are pending/processed and processing dates by country and category. Atleast USCIS is answerable to visa bulletin.
2) Visa usage by category reporting each month
(How many petitions were approved are pending by visa category and by country) (here I mean just I140 and I485). Adjust the numbers if there are denials.
This will atleast help everyone predict whats going to happen in recent months. One of the heartburns we have is no information comes out of USCIS and we are held hostage to what oppenheim says or Aytes says or Sheela Murthy says. This is public information so lets try and get it public every month.
1) breakdown of processing dates in a manner that co relates to visa bulletin.
i.e.: tell us how many petitions by per country are pending/processed and processing dates by country and category. Atleast USCIS is answerable to visa bulletin.
2) Visa usage by category reporting each month
(How many petitions were approved are pending by visa category and by country) (here I mean just I140 and I485). Adjust the numbers if there are denials.
This will atleast help everyone predict whats going to happen in recent months. One of the heartburns we have is no information comes out of USCIS and we are held hostage to what oppenheim says or Aytes says or Sheela Murthy says. This is public information so lets try and get it public every month.
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Macaca
07-08 09:28 PM
Macaca:
The anticipated demand (that is calculated based on Pending Applications, New Applications that might become approvable and plethora of other factors including guess work) on Oct 1 2005/Oct 1 2006 was MUCH higher than 140,000 that was available for the entire year. Infact you have to break 140,000 into four quarters and apply contry quota (7%) to it since EB-3 ROW was not current on these dates. Thus it was hardly a surprise that India and China and EB-3 ROW remained retrogress on these dates.
Now fast forward to June 2007, there were 40,000 visa available in that last quarter and EB-3 ROW was in no position to consume that many that means spillover would come to India and China EB3/EB3 or else visa would be wasted in big numbers. The solution was to increase the supply and hence everything was current overnight. Until USCIS came in to spoil the party. They didn't do it in any simple way instead they choose the route of complete exhashtion and hence shutting the door.
Bottom line is: Unless demand for EB-3 ROW subsides (or it becomes current leaving substantial numbers for spillover) India EB-2 will always be cap subjected to 3200 or so visas every year. The sad part is catching up with the demand for EB-3 ROW is a moving target and thus EB-2 India might NEVER qualify for spillovers. I hope I am proved wrong by someone who has more insight.
My analysis is minimally, if at all, dependent on India, China, ROW, ...
Offcourse I don't know all laws. I will believe DOS/USCIS URLs that explain how VB dates are set.
In general, it will be very useful to finds URLs that explain VB date setting and identify USCIS inconsistencies which they call LAW.
The anticipated demand (that is calculated based on Pending Applications, New Applications that might become approvable and plethora of other factors including guess work) on Oct 1 2005/Oct 1 2006 was MUCH higher than 140,000 that was available for the entire year. Infact you have to break 140,000 into four quarters and apply contry quota (7%) to it since EB-3 ROW was not current on these dates. Thus it was hardly a surprise that India and China and EB-3 ROW remained retrogress on these dates.
Now fast forward to June 2007, there were 40,000 visa available in that last quarter and EB-3 ROW was in no position to consume that many that means spillover would come to India and China EB3/EB3 or else visa would be wasted in big numbers. The solution was to increase the supply and hence everything was current overnight. Until USCIS came in to spoil the party. They didn't do it in any simple way instead they choose the route of complete exhashtion and hence shutting the door.
Bottom line is: Unless demand for EB-3 ROW subsides (or it becomes current leaving substantial numbers for spillover) India EB-2 will always be cap subjected to 3200 or so visas every year. The sad part is catching up with the demand for EB-3 ROW is a moving target and thus EB-2 India might NEVER qualify for spillovers. I hope I am proved wrong by someone who has more insight.
My analysis is minimally, if at all, dependent on India, China, ROW, ...
Offcourse I don't know all laws. I will believe DOS/USCIS URLs that explain how VB dates are set.
In general, it will be very useful to finds URLs that explain VB date setting and identify USCIS inconsistencies which they call LAW.
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EB3_SEP04
08-15 11:55 AM
EAD Paper Filed (EB3-India, PD Nov 2006 : For Me and My spouse)
Documents Mailed: July 01, 2008
Receipt Notice: July 03, 2008
LUD: July 08, 2008
Current Status: My case was approved and card production ordered on August 14, 2008 (got the email from CRIS) and still waiting for my spouse's EAD approval.
Thanks
Raghav235
Raghav, congrats and thanks for the update.
Is July 08, 2008 also the Notice Date on your receipt notice? I'm wondering if generally there is one more LUD after the notice date and before the approval, when they pull the file off the shelf and start working on the case.
for me no LUD after notice date.
Documents Mailed: July 01, 2008
Receipt Notice: July 03, 2008
LUD: July 08, 2008
Current Status: My case was approved and card production ordered on August 14, 2008 (got the email from CRIS) and still waiting for my spouse's EAD approval.
Thanks
Raghav235
Raghav, congrats and thanks for the update.
Is July 08, 2008 also the Notice Date on your receipt notice? I'm wondering if generally there is one more LUD after the notice date and before the approval, when they pull the file off the shelf and start working on the case.
for me no LUD after notice date.
shreekhand
02-02 12:52 PM
Nobody is holding them back and that is the very reason they are planning to go back... got it ?
Your rant in the post of all things, especially about the caste system seems like the half baked knowledge of a westerner bloating and carrying the caste "issue" to stratospheric levels!
I don't from what area in India exposed you to your experiences, but apart from the ridiculous reservations and quota system, there have been no caste related issues that I or my family faced while in western India. Be it working with people from all castes, making friends with them or really helping the neglected. This was the case with my neighbors or any relatives.
Looking at the numerous corruption scandals and making a hoopla about it or relating it tightly to the ancient family values (that India has) that one can give to the children is quite narrow minded. For that matter I can make a big list of scandals in almost every country. There were numerous scandals in 80's and 90's in India - that didn't affect the kind of right values my parents imparted in my siblings or I. I can say the same for my several friends.
Things are in constant flux in any country - while the divorce rate, teenage mothers, suicide rate was very low in the early 1900's in the US, it went up by orders of magnitude in the last 50 years. Teenage smoking was rampant in the 70's and 80's it went down dramatically after that.
People wanted to free themselves from the rigid value system and hence the 1960's and 70's hippie movement - what did they do - drugs, sex and alcohol - didn't go anywhere (remnants of which we still see in the US "culture") ! They turned themselves to service, philanthropy and spirituality and found a new way of looking at things - great things have happened thro' the initiatives of these Americans.
Having a static view of things is really claustrophobic and is a seed of frustration and negativity. Generalizing everything is even worse.
To understand the culture of India, you need to scratch deeper and assimilate it.
I couldn't have agreed with you more...When I meet people and they say Indian Culture is great, India is Gr8, the life here is boring and kind of nonsense I don't understand Y they are here of course for better life and money. Then Y keep on complaining about the things in life..no body is holding back others to stay here.
I really don't understand what culture they talk about....
@least here I don't need to bribe of simple things like getting my DL license, House registration, Going and meeting a senator, legislative. I don't need to explain to 10 people around my house if I go out and come home late night. These are just a few... I'm 100% sure I would not spend as much as time I spend with my family now excluding the weekends. I can't imagine going early in the morning at 7.00 and coming back home at 9.00 PM watch TV, eat and get to bed. On top of that go to work on weekends deal with relatives, neighbors, colleagues etc etc. Of course How can I forget the CASTE SYSTEM which is becoming as some people call the nation has developed. I cannot imagine my kids growing i the environment where CASTE SYSTEM is so prevalent.
Well that is me and everybody have their own opinions. And good luck to all you want to move or stay.
Your rant in the post of all things, especially about the caste system seems like the half baked knowledge of a westerner bloating and carrying the caste "issue" to stratospheric levels!
I don't from what area in India exposed you to your experiences, but apart from the ridiculous reservations and quota system, there have been no caste related issues that I or my family faced while in western India. Be it working with people from all castes, making friends with them or really helping the neglected. This was the case with my neighbors or any relatives.
Looking at the numerous corruption scandals and making a hoopla about it or relating it tightly to the ancient family values (that India has) that one can give to the children is quite narrow minded. For that matter I can make a big list of scandals in almost every country. There were numerous scandals in 80's and 90's in India - that didn't affect the kind of right values my parents imparted in my siblings or I. I can say the same for my several friends.
Things are in constant flux in any country - while the divorce rate, teenage mothers, suicide rate was very low in the early 1900's in the US, it went up by orders of magnitude in the last 50 years. Teenage smoking was rampant in the 70's and 80's it went down dramatically after that.
People wanted to free themselves from the rigid value system and hence the 1960's and 70's hippie movement - what did they do - drugs, sex and alcohol - didn't go anywhere (remnants of which we still see in the US "culture") ! They turned themselves to service, philanthropy and spirituality and found a new way of looking at things - great things have happened thro' the initiatives of these Americans.
Having a static view of things is really claustrophobic and is a seed of frustration and negativity. Generalizing everything is even worse.
To understand the culture of India, you need to scratch deeper and assimilate it.
I couldn't have agreed with you more...When I meet people and they say Indian Culture is great, India is Gr8, the life here is boring and kind of nonsense I don't understand Y they are here of course for better life and money. Then Y keep on complaining about the things in life..no body is holding back others to stay here.
I really don't understand what culture they talk about....
@least here I don't need to bribe of simple things like getting my DL license, House registration, Going and meeting a senator, legislative. I don't need to explain to 10 people around my house if I go out and come home late night. These are just a few... I'm 100% sure I would not spend as much as time I spend with my family now excluding the weekends. I can't imagine going early in the morning at 7.00 and coming back home at 9.00 PM watch TV, eat and get to bed. On top of that go to work on weekends deal with relatives, neighbors, colleagues etc etc. Of course How can I forget the CASTE SYSTEM which is becoming as some people call the nation has developed. I cannot imagine my kids growing i the environment where CASTE SYSTEM is so prevalent.
Well that is me and everybody have their own opinions. And good luck to all you want to move or stay.
AK_GC
02-10 05:03 PM
I could not comprehend the exact purpose of this campaign.
We might draw more contributions if we have a bulleted point list on what these funds are going to serve. Is it for 2009 contribution pool or we have something that we are going to spend on right away like media campaign or newspaper articles?
We might draw more contributions if we have a bulleted point list on what these funds are going to serve. Is it for 2009 contribution pool or we have something that we are going to spend on right away like media campaign or newspaper articles?
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